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Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying

The DarkHorse Podcast is hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Bret and Heather both have PhDs in biology, and they seek truth and explore a wide variety of topics with their evolutionary toolkit as society loses its footing. Tune in to infamous spreaders of "Covid Disinformation" Bret and Heather for a podcast—maybe you'll like what you see!

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In this 255th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

In this week’s episode, we discuss how to avoid confusion between moral and analytical differences, especially when it comes to politics and the state of America. Probably you have people in your life whom you love, with whom you disagree adamantly about politics. If you believe those people to share your values, then you probably just disagree about what you have seen, and what it means—rather than believing that they are fundamentally bad people. Also: is it unethical to spend time and resources investigating scientific questions that have already been answered? And: excess deaths in the time of Covid, the pull-forward effect, and an analogy with treefalls during early Winter storms: strong winds cull the weak, such that in subsequent storms, there should be fewer trees that fall. Also: check out Obvious State—they make amazing art prints.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Is it unethical to replicate research? https://x.com/DrNeilStone/status/1866201925970018354

Reasonable Dowd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trjv7-eUqt4

Excess Deaths: https://phinancetechnologies.com/HumanityProjects/yearly%20Excess%20Death%20Rate%20Analysis%20-%20US.htm

More excess death analysis: https://x.com/ethicalskeptic/status/1864371228309340602

U.S. Disability Data: https://x.com/dowdedward/status/1865078933915332624

Obvious State: https://obviousstate.com

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Fear the Reaper: The 255th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this 256th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

In this week’s episode, we discuss resistance to Make America Healthy Again, and how beliefs that were once unspeakable become speakable. It used to be impossible to speak about the risks of fluoride in the water; now it’s not. It used to be impossible to question the safety of Mercury in vaccines; now it’s not. How safe is Aluminum as an adjuvant in vaccines? Goliath assures us it’s safe; we look at the research that has been done, and find otherwise. We are betting our lives, and our children’s lives, on four rabbits and a dude. 

We also discuss the polio vaccine, and GLP-1 RAs, more familiarly known as Ozempic and its chemical kin. Similar to the mRNA shots for Covid (wherein Uracil was replaced with Pseudouridine), GLP-1RAs are similar but not identical to a naturally occurring human hormone, but have been altered to be more “stable” and last longer in the body.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Secret campaign to disrupt MAHA: https://x.com/holden_culotta/status/1869206497013698823

Karstens 2024. History of Salk Inactivated Polio vaccine: https://www.malone.news/p/inconvenient-history-of-salk-inactivated

Why we should welcome the lab leak theory: https://unherd.com/2021/06/why-we-should-welcome-the-lab-leak-theory/

Rogers 2019. The Political Economy of Autism: https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/handle/2123/20198/Rogers_T_thesis.pdf

Pharma darlings: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/pharma-darlings

Giant Herbs & Tea: http://www.giant-herbs.com

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Follow the White Rabbit(s): The 256th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we discuss the World Health Organization, Greenland, Panama, and how Trump plans to interact with all of the above. Is it moral to ask for, buy, or take, other people’s land? We need to remember the Monroe Doctrine. Also: the Southern Poverty Law Center puts out an annual hate map, in which they showcase hate groups like “anti-government groups” that promote “conspiratorial and dubious views of government…as evidenced by the movement’s popular rhetoric on such issues as COVID-19 regulation.” Also on the SPLC’s hate list: people who don’t think that drag queen story hours promote literacy. While claiming to challenge “binary gender roles,” trans ideology actually does the opposite. Finally: eight insights for Hannukah.

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Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com

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Mentioned in this episode:

Reuters on the WHO: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-transition-team-plans-immediate-who-withdrawal-expert-says-2024-12-23/

New York Times on Greenland and Panama: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/23/us/politics/trump-greenland-panama-canal.html

SPLC hate map: https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

Fighting illiteracy with the SPLC: https://www.splcenter.org/year-hate-extremism-2023/power-drag-story-hour

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Why Trump Wants Greenland: The 257th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Bret Weinstein speaks with Senator Ron Johnson on the subject of corruption present in COVID policies and American politics in general. They question who the “puppet masters” are and review what RFK Jr.’s stance on vaccines could bring to the upcoming administration. Finally, Bret and Senator Johnson, notorious COVID dissidents, end their discussion by considering the possibility of Fauci receiving a pardon. 

Find Senator Ron Johnson on X: http://x.com/RonJohnsonWI

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Mentioned in this Episode:
- Oxford study claiming COVID to be a bad flu season https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates

- May 2020 Senator held a hearing https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/hearings/covid-19-how-new-information-should-drive-policy/

- “The Real Anthony Fauci” by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. https://amzn.to/3Du4J9H (commission earned)

- “The Wuhan Cover-Up” by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. https://amzn.to/49RARA2 (commission earned)

- “What the Nurses Saw” by Ken McCarthy https://amzn.to/3VQVYga (commission earned)

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Senator Ron Johnson on the DarkHorse Podcast

In this week’s episode, we review the past year on DarkHorse, recalling stories about Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (the former president of Harvard, Boeing, Kamala Harris, Secret Service, tortillas); food (seed oils, tallow, and types of fat; the food compass; microbeef sushi; the perfect potato); pharma (vaccines and the CDC, Ozempic, Bovear, sunscreen); the Earth’s magnetic field and pole shifts; the WHO; the need for natural history museums; gender ideology (WPATH, pup handlers, the Olympics, Imane Khelif); immigration and the southern border; Julian Assange’s release; the First Amendment and the Supreme Court; the election, Rescue the Republic, and Unity; and some cool biology (octopi have old sex chromosomes; fish with “legs” that can taste; an orangutan who heals wounds with leaves; and frogs in saunas). Then: predictable fissures are arising in the MAGA – MAHA – Unity coalition. How should we think about them, and how can we protect MAHA from a battle between food and pharma? Proposal: Informed Consent and Liability.

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New fabulous studio art by Teresa Smith: www.teresasmith.com

DarkHorse 2024 livestreams: Harvard (206), Boeing (208), Kamala Harris (247 & 251), Secret Service (235), folic acid (246), polyunsaturated fats (207), seed oils (251), tallow (254), diet (211), food compass (241), microbeef sushi (212), biotech potatoes (226), CDC (215), Francis Collins (244), Ozempic (225, 238, 254, 256), dry fasting (252), Bovear (253), sunscreen (233), Earth’s magnetic field (225), The WHO’s Pandemic Treaty (227, 257), museums (213, 234), WPATH (216), pup handlers (235), Olympics (236), Imane Khelif (237), immigration (210), Assange (231), First Amendment (217), Rescue the Republic (238, 244, 245), octopus (219), legs that taste (248), orang heal thyself (224), frog saunas (233).

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Looking Back and Looking Forward: The 258th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we discuss the Palisades Fire in Los Angeles, which has destroyed the neighborhood where Heather grew up. Why does California burn, how are fires different now than they used to be, what happens now? We discuss the Getty Villa and Palisades Village, and why we should care what happens to a wealthy neighborhood in West LA. Also: did the LA Fire Chief drinking the DEI Kool-Aid contribute to the devastation? And when are natural disasters not entirely natural? Then: Zuckerberg announces changes to fact-checking, filters, and trust and safety teams at Meta. It’s not an apology. Are the changes politically motivated, or market-driven, or philosophical, and will they stick? At the same time, Musk announces plans for algorithmic deboosting on X. Zero is a special number.

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Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com

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Mentioned in this episode:

Scope of the LA fires from The Lookout: https://www.youtube.com/live/OjE9xVU4eUA

Heather’s childhood LA fire experience: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/antipode-chapter-1

Jacob Soboroff on the Palisades Fire: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEkTEKdJxe9/

Fox News in Palisades Village: https://x.com/BigFish3000/status/1877008354008035683

Getty History: https://www.getty.edu/press/pdfs/Getty_History_and_Timeline.pdf

DEI LA Fire Chief: https://x.com/amuse/status/1876873508006842709

Zuckerberg announces changes: https://x.com/andrewcurran_/status/1876624442643878065

Musk does too: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875355425601999255

Fact checkers aren’t scientists: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/coming-soon

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Fires, Facebook & Free Speech: The 259th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we continue our discussion of the Los Angeles Fires, sharing stories, analysis, and an apology from the owner of the LA Times, a publication which endorsed Karen Bass, LA’s current mayor. Even if diversity and inclusion have value, we need skill and experience more. Then: a new molecular technique reveals the extent to which mRNA shots move around the body and trigger the immune system to destroy transfected cells; this provides strong support for Bret’s years-old hypothesis that myocarditis and pericarditis are the result of T cell mediated destruction of cardiomyocytes. Finally: dung beetles, in life and in art. Who makes dung balls, who rolls dung balls, and why is it such a popular activity?

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Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is available everywhere books are sold, including from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned)

Check out our store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://darkhorsestore.org

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Mentioned in this episode:

Cal Fire: https://www.fire.ca.gov

Remembering the Palisades: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/remembering-the-palisades

The Morning Meeting w Patrick Soon-Shiong: https://www.youtube.com/live/QpolCpYGvw0?t=1092s

Luo et al 2025. Nanocarrier imaging at single-cell resolution across entire mouse bodies with deep learning. Nat Biotechnol. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-024-02528-1.pdf

Sean Goddard Insects: https://seangoddardinsects.com

Reynolds & Byrne 2013. Alternate reproductive tactics in an African dung beetle, Circellium bacchus(Scarabeidae). Journal of Insect Behavior 26: 440-452. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10905-012-9365-1

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Fire and a Broken Heart: The 260th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Bret Weinstein speaks with Dr. Toby Rogers on the subject of the economics of autism.

Find Toby Rogers on X at https://x.com/uTobian and on Substack at https://tobyrogers.substack.com.

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Mentioned in this episode:

- Please see Toby Roger’s doctoral thesis, The Political Economy of Autism for links to studies mentioned https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/handle/2123/20198/Rogers_T_thesis.pdf 
- For example, the first autism prevalence study is linked in his References https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/490240 
- Hunter Gatherer's Guide https://amzn.to/40fPWqP (commission earned)
- The Moth in the Iron Lung https://amzn.to/3PHrHNb (commission earned)
- Bandom Health Project https://www.bandim.org
- Christine Stable Ben's Ted Talk https://youtu.be/_d8PNlXHJ48?si=5REOXsVpE7PrkTeI

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Unsafe at Any Speed: Dr. Toby Rogers on DarkHorse

In this week’s episode, we discuss how it was to be in DC during Trump’s second Inauguration, and the MAHA ball. Then: a summary of Executive Orders: positive (e.g. freedom of speech, reality of biological sex, affirmative action, putting America first, securing our borders, establishing DOGE, J6 pardons, promoting beautiful architecture, and withdrawing from the WHO), negative (Gulf of America, the death penalty), and environmental (off-shore wind and natural gas, ANWR, fish and fires). Then: three reasons that Trump could become the best president we have had.

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Heather’s newsletter, Natural Selections (subscribe to get free weekly essays in your inbox): https://naturalselections.substack.com

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Mentioned in this episode:

Executive Orders by Trump: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/

Seed oil lobbyist becomes chief of staff at the USDA: https://x.com/repthomasmassie/status/1882459041089351735

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The GOAT? The 261st Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Bret Weinstein speaks with John McPherson on the subject of forensic accounting and whistleblowing. McPherson highlighting his concerns about the current financial landscape and the potential for another financial crisis.

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Mentioned in this episode:
Monthly Patreon Discussion: https://www.patreon.com/bretweinstein
The Big Short: https://amzn.to/3WzusnX (commission earned)
The Life Partners Case: https://www.wsj.com/articles/life-partners-trustee-files-recovery-lawsuits-1458316739
Whistle Blower Award Process: https://www.sec.gov/enforcement-litigation/whistleblower-program
Borrower Defense: https://studentaid.gov/borrower-defense 
Enron fake trading floor: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2002/feb/21/corporatefraud.enron1
Fair Rate Act: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/186/text

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Exposing Financial Fraud: Forensic Accountant & Whistleblower John McPherson on DarkHorse

Bret Weinstein speaks with Tom Bilyeu on the subject of consciousness, philosophy, and the scientific method. They discuss the importance of a conscious approach to life, the utility of principles in achieving goals, and the challenges of navigating novelty in a rapidly changing world.

Find Tom Bilyeu on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu and on X at https://x.com/tombilyeu.

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The Power of Principles: Tom Bilyeu on DarkHorse

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